EPS Forecasts Portend Positive Market … Sort Of
Source: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/qvmgroup/yrMF/~3/N07lziE_VpQ/5235Posted on Wednesday, July 1st, 2009 | In Bonds, China, Developed Markets, Emerging Markets, Market Commentary
If the consensus earnings estimates coming out of Standard & Poor’s and “the Street” (via Thompson Reuters) are realistic, then it looks pretty good for a stable to rising market value. We say value instead of prices, because price and value don’t always coincide.
At 923 the S&P 500 is about 12 times the 2010 $74.10 forecast for the S&P 500 operating earnings by Standard and Poor’s, or the $74.48 forecast by “the Street” according to Thompson Reuters. Barron’s reports a Capital IQ survey of six strategists’ forecast of $68.45 for 2010, making today’s 923 index price about 13.5 times 2010 operating earnings.
Actual S&P 500 operating earnings in 2007 and 2008 were $82.54 and $49.51. That puts $74 at almost 90% of the 2007 earnings level — quite an amazing and surprising expected accomplishment given all we’ve been through.
S&P forecasts $55.61 operating earnings in 2009 for the S&P 500, while “the Street” forecasts $58.52.
There are more negative thoughts out there, however, such as Barclay’s Capital which sees $46 in 2010, which would put the S&P 500 at about 20 times operating earnings in 2010.
A multiple of 12 is attractive, while a multiple of 20 is not generally attractive, unless you can construct an argument for higher valuation based on low interest rates, but then you have to predict lower rates and interpret multiple years of lower rates as not an indication of terrible economic conditions.
You have to decide whether these numbers are realistic. We’ve heard one strategist call them “wishful non-thinking”. Robert Shiller refers to “spontaneous optimism” and “animal spirits”, neither of which sound similar to “rational analysis”.
Therein lies basic choices you must make. Do you invest based on proven history (wait for the results) or on predictions made by others with methods, conflicts and biases not disclosed? Do you invest on rationalized value or actual market price behavior? Do you assume things have always worked out in the past and will again, or do you assume there are long-term structural changes in the economy that will create an adverse shift in the profits and growth curve thereby suppressing values and prices?
In terms of predictions made by others, here are the 2009 and 2010 percent changes in operating profits by sector for the S&P 500 from Standard and Poor’s analysts and from Thompson Reuters for “the Street”.
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One of the difficulties using brief reports of earnings as are typically available in the financial press is that the numbers are disembodied. They lack adequate historical context to be fully helpful.
Standard and Poor’s does a good job of providing context. We have extracted data from a three of their reports and combine them in the following image. While the format is different, all of the data is their data (except for some ratios based on their data that we calculated and show in blue).
The data is for the index and each of its ten sectors.
The table in the image shows past, present and projected operating earnings and “as reported” earnings, and P/E ratios based on the June 23 index price. The data includes annual data and comparative data for Q1 for each year. The percentage change between periods is also shown.
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One thing about the forecasts in particular bothers us. The ratio of “as reported” to operating earnings is not good even in 2010 — much worse than in 2007. If the index is still losing big, big bucks, the value of rising operating earnings is a little squishy. Yes, it suggests good things someday, but when — and when are we supposed to take risks with our own capital betting that “one time losses” or “extraordinary losses” will stop offsetting operating profits?
Ratio of “as reported” to operating earnings:
- 2007: 75.6%
- 2008: 30.1%
- 2009: 51.5%
- 2010: 51.0%
Looking briefly beyond the large-cap universe of the S&P 500, let’s see what Standard and Poor’s has to say about the mid-cap S&P 400 and small-cap S&P 600.
S&P 400 Operating Earnings:
- 2007 $42.65
- 2008 $30.04
- 2009 $27.65
- 2010 $40.53 (13.68 forward P/E)
S&P 600 Operating Earnings:
- 2007 $18.99
- 2008 $10.22
- 2009 $10.18
- 2010 $17.46 (14.72 forward P/E)
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Richard Shaw
QVM Group LLC
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Richard is a principal of QVM Group LLC, a fee-based investment advisor based in Connecticut with clients across the country. He provides investment coaching to "do-it-yourself" investors, and manages portfolios for those who prefer not to make their own decisions. His investment approach is based on value, asset allocation, benchmarking, expense control, risk management, customizing portfolios to each client's specific circumstances, and regular communication about strategy and performance. The QVM Group team also provides municipal refinance services, strategic business planning and financial analysis service for new ventures, private acquisition analysis, and custom investment research. Richard's extensive experience, includes serving on the Board of Directors of Aberdeen Asset Management PLC (London Stock Exchange: ADN), membership on the Board of Directors of Phoenix Investment Counsel (renamed Virtus Investment Advisors), a U.S. pension manager and investment advisor to the Phoenix Funds (renamed Virtus Funds), as well as serving as Managing Director of a series of offshore investment funds based in Luxembourg. He has led institutional asset management sales and had overall responsibility for management of a U.S. mutual funds broker-dealer. He was a charter investor and member of the Board of Directors of several internet companies, including Lending Tree prior to its IPO. He is a graduate of Dartmouth College. QVM Group LLC is a Registered Investment Advisor. Visit the QVM Group website http://www.qvmgroup.com/QVMinvest/ |





